![]() Her father Jasper was married to Mevanvy Verch Daffydd in 1483 where they had her and her sister Helen. Morgan is also my 16th great grandfather. My Irish line fought in the American Revolution (I believe 2nd generation in America). Surname is Irish, so it must have been one of my grandmothers that was his descendant. I'll have to go dig in my genealogy records to get the exact details. I am descended from Oliver Cromwell's illegitimate children. Morgan Williams is my 14th great grandfather, as well! ![]() Kenneth can we get in touch? I am interested in your family records. I could use some assistance with stories and pictures on the williams side of family. This comment has been removed by the author.Ĭrystal, we are related too! Morgan Williams was my 16th great grandfather. So we move to America my name is Kenneth Williams, so if you see what someone wrote on the web don't believe a lot of post unless it is backed up by the last will and testament the Williams family has always keep record I intend to do more research, but I would not dismiss it completely out of hand.Ĭrystal we are related I am a direct descendent of Walter (Cromwell ) Williams we are still alive and living in Oklahoma the family keeped great family records and we are related to Joan Tudor and she was the child of Jasper but If you research back far into her husband William he was a direct decended from Howell last King of Wales the reason that so many people disagree about MY FAMILY is Oliver Cromwell was so hated by so many not only they desecrated his body and his ancetery. If she did indeed have a son, that would prove her existence, if not exactly her paternity. Her father is listed as Jasper Tudor and we can all follow the tree up from there. She had a son Morgan Williams, who had a son Walter Williams and so on down the centuries. While Joan Tudor's existence is debatable, I do have a Joan Tudor in my family tree. Where Oliver Cromwell's ancestry is discussed, earlier commentators seem to be most interested in him being related remotely to the Stuart dynasty (I guess it provided an intriguing ironic twist to the execution of Charles I.) You are welcome! I looked all over too and found not even a whisper of any "Joan Tudor" except in Mantel's novel and the Pollard article (which I have not seen). ![]() I haven't been able to find out anything else myself. ![]() ![]() Napoleon had all sorts of people drawing up noble genealogies for him after he came to prominence, and you see a remnant of the practice even today, with American presidents being freshly "discovered" to be sixth cousins 14 times removed of the queen of England, or something. If the rumored relationship between Oliver Cromwell and Joan Tudor could be dated to the 17th century, perhaps it could have developed as a natural consequence of Cromwell's rise to power, since people often attribute outstanding achievements by a commoner to his or her "secret" royal ancestry or dynastic connexions. " tiresome preaching may have had particular effect on his half-brother, Jasper, whose upbringing was strictly controlled for a time by King Henry, and who did not marry until he was in his mid-fifties - or produce any illegitimate offspring." (Griffiths, The Reign of King Henry VI) However, Ralph Alan Griffiths, who wrote an authoritative and monumental study of Henry VI, firmly squelches any notion of the existence of either Joan or Helen/Ellen Tudor (Bishop Stephen Gardiner's alleged mother, a more widely reported rumor that also finds currency in Mantel's novel), Jasper's putative daughters: Some of the old 19th-century sources say that Morgan ap Williams' father served in Jasper's household, which at least lends credible proximity to the tale. I did come across this rumor in Hilary Mantel's Wolf Hall, but I don't know what the substantiation is. ![]()
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